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against sedevacanists
The term sede vacante, Latin meaning "the chair being vacant," is used to refer to the interregnum between the death of one pope and the election of his successor (1). Today, however, it has come to mean that the See of Rome has been vacant since the death of Pius XII, or at least since Paul VI approved the Second Vatican Council in 1965.
Some maintain that John XXIII incurred the wrath of God for calling the Council. Others take the view that Paul VI left Mother Church when he implemented the Novus Ordo Missae. Some say that John Paul II was invalidly elected. Others assert that he left the Church sometime into his pontificate. So by whatever road, the See of Rome is vacant, they say.
To remedy this state of affairs, some would have the cardinals elect a new pope. Others, claiming that all the cardinals are either invalidly appointed by a heretical pope, or that they have all likewise fallen into heresy, would have an ecumenical council of newly-consecrated traditionalist bishops meet to elect a new successor to St. Peter.
I delayed entering this controversy, considering others more qualified to argue the case than myself. Nevertheless, God seemed to have disposed things so that I did write on this matter by early 1985. Unfortunately, this problem has not abated in the last 13 years, rather the reverse. I here present my revised paper for consideration, making the usual protestation of Catholic authors: If I should in anything be found in error, I submit all I say here to the future judgement of the Holy Roman Church.
I. THE DOCTRINES INVOLVED
This argument involves several of the doctrines that the Church places before us to believe. I shall take them up, one by one.
A. Indefectibility
The Church "was to last to the end of the world, teaching, governing, and sanctifying men."(2) Our Lord said, "...behold I am with you all days even to the consummation of the world." This the Church has always understood to mean that she would continue, as she was founded, to the end.
Now, the Church has always taught, and I maintain, that in order to teach till the end of time, the Church must have an infallible teacher at all times: the pope. In order to govern, she must have her one shepherd. In order to sanctify lawfully, all bishops and priests must maintain communion with Rome.
Concerning this attribute of the Church of Christ, the Fathers taught thus:
For this cause did the Lord take the ointment on His head, that He might breathe incorruption upon the Church. (3)
Origen:
"Thou art Peter," and the rest, down to "and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." What does "it" refer to? The rock upon which Christ built His Church, or the Church? For the phrase is ambiguous. Or is it that they are, as it were, one and the same thing, "the rock and the Church?" This, I think, is the real fact, for neither against "the rock upon which Christ built His Church" nor against "the Church" shall the gates of hell prevail..." (4)
St. Cyprian:
The Church is one, which having obtained the grace of eternal life, both lives forever, and gives life to the people of God. (5)
St. Alexander:
We also confess one, and one only Catholic, the Apostolic Church, which is always incapable of being overthrown, even though the whole world choose to war with it...(6)
Eusebius:
The Savior prophesied...that the Church...should be invincible, incapable of overthrow, and never overcome by death...firmly established and embedded on a "rock" that could not be moved nor broken!(7)
St. Ephrem, Syrian:
Thou hast also built a Church on earth...that, in fine, its treasures, filled with every kind of wealth, fail not, and be not exhausted. Fulfill, O Lord, what Thou didnt promise to Peter, the Prince of the Apostles.(
St. Ambrose:
The Church is buffeted, but is not overwhelmed by the waves of worldly care; she is stricken, but is not weakened...(9)
St. John Chrysostom:
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questions on vatican 2
In this document the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is responding to a number of questions concerning the overall vision of the Church which emerged from the dogmatic and ecumenical teachings of the Second Vatican Council. This Council ‘of the Church on the Church’ signalled, according to Paul VI, “a new era for the Church” in which “the true face of the Bride of Christ has been more fully examined and unveiled.”[1] Frequent reference is made to the principle documents of Popes Paul VI and John Paul II and to the interventions of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, all of which were inspired by an ever deepening understanding of the Church herself, and many of which were aimed at clarifying the notable outpouring of post-conciliar theology — not all of which was immune from imprecision and error.
This present document is similarly inspired. Precisely because some contemporary theological research has been erroneous, or ambiguous, the Congregation’s intention is to clarify the authentic meaning of certain ecclesiological statements of the Magisterium. For this reason the Congregation has chosen to use the literary genre of Responsa ad quaestiones, which of its nature does not attempt to advance arguments to prove a particular doctrine but rather, by limiting itself to the previous teachings of the Magisterium, sets out only to give a sure and certain response to specific questions.
The first question asks if the Second Vatican Council changed the previously held doctrine on the Church.
The question concerns the significance of what Paul VI described in the above mentioned quotation as ‘the new face’ of the Church offered by Vatican II.
The response, based on the teaching of John XXIII and Paul VI, is very clear: the Second Vatican Council did not intend to change — and therefore has not changed — the previously held doctrine on the Church. It merely deepened this doctrine and articulated it in a more organic way. This is, in fact, what Paul VI said in his discourse promulgating the Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium when he affirmed that the document had not changed traditional doctrine on the Church, but rather “that which was assumed, is now explicit; that which was uncertain, is now clarified; that which was meditated upon, discussed and sometimes argued over, is now put together in one clear formulation.”[2]
There is also a continuity between the doctrine taught by the Council and that of subsequent interventions of the Magisterium which have taken up and deepened this same doctrine, which itself constitutes a development. In this sense, for instance, the Declaration of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith Dominus Iesus merely reaffirmed the conciliar and post-conciliar teachings without adding or taking away anything.
In the post-conciliar period, however, and notwithstanding these clear affirmations, the doctrine of Vatican II has been, and continues to be, the object of erroneous interpretations at variance with traditional Catholic doctrine on the nature of the Church: either seeing in it a ‘Copernican revolution’ or else emphasising some aspects almost to the exclusion of others. In reality the profound intention of the Second Vatican Council was clearly to insert the discourse on the Church within and subordinate to the discourse on God, therefore proposing an ecclesiology which is truly theo-logical. The reception of the teaching of the Council has, however, often obscured this point, relativising it in favour of individual ecclesiological affirmations, and often emphasising specific words or phrases which encourage a partial and unbalanced understanding of this same conciliar doctrine.
Regarding the ecclesiology of Lumen gentium, certain key ideas do seem to have entered into ecclesial consciousness: the idea of the People of God, the collegiality of the bishops as a re-evaluation of the ministry of bishops together with5 Comments 668 days
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Responses to Some Questions Regarding Certain Aspects of the 2nd vatican council....
Introduction
The Second Vatican Council, with its Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium, and its Decrees on Ecumenism (Unitatis redintegratio) and the Oriental Churches (Orientalium Ecclesiarum), has contributed in a decisive way to the renewal of Catholic ecclesiolgy. The Supreme Pontiffs have also contributed to this renewal by offering their own insights and orientations for praxis: Paul VI in his Encyclical Letter Ecclesiam suam (1964) and John Paul II in his Encyclical Letter Ut unum sint (1995).
The consequent duty of theologians to expound with greater clarity the diverse aspects of ecclesiology has resulted in a flowering of writing in this field. In fact it has become evident that this theme is a most fruitful one which, however, has also at times required clarification by way of precise definition and correction, for instance in the declaration Mysterium Ecclesiae (1973), the Letter addressed to the Bishops of the Catholic Church Communionis notio (1992), and the declaration Dominus Iesus (2000), all published by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
The vastness of the subject matter and the novelty of many of the themes involved continue to provoke theological reflection. Among the many new contributions to the field, some are not immune from erroneous interpretation which in turn give rise to confusion and doubt. A number of these interpretations have been referred to the attention of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Given the universality of Catholic doctrine on the Church, the Congregation wishes to respond to these questions by clarifying the authentic meaning of some ecclesiological expressions used by the magisterium which are open to misunderstanding in the theological debate.
RESPONSES TO THE QUESTIONS
First Question: Did the Second Vatican Council change the Catholic doctrine on the Church?
Response: The Second Vatican Council neither changed nor intended to change this doctrine, rather it developed, deepened and more fully explained it.
This was exactly what John XXIII said at the beginning of the Council1. Paul VI affirmed it2 and commented in the act of promulgating the Constitution Lumen gentium: "There is no better comment to make than to say that this promulgation really changes nothing of the traditional doctrine. What Christ willed, we also will. What was, still is. What the Church has taught down through the centuries, we also teach. In simple terms that which was assumed, is now explicit; that which was uncertain, is now clarified; that which was meditated upon, discussed and sometimes argued over, is now put together in one clear formulation"3. The Bishops repeatedly expressed and fulfilled this intention4.
Second Question: What is the meaning of the affirmation that the Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church?
Response: Christ "established here on earth" only one Church and instituted it as a "visible and spiritual community"5, that from its beginning and throughout the centuries has always existed and will always exist, and in which alone are found all the elements that Christ himself instituted.6 "This one Church of Christ, which we confess in the Creed as one, holy, catholic and apostolic […]. This Church, constituted and organised in this world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the successor of Peter and the Bishops in communion with him"7.
In number 8 of the Dogmatic Constitution Lumen Gentium ‘subsistence’ means this perduring, historical continuity and the permanence of all the elements instituted by Christ in the Catholic Church8, in which the Church of Christ is concretely found on this earth.
It is possible, according to Catholic doctrine, to affirm correctly that the Church of Christ is present and operative in the churches and ecclesial Communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church, on account of the elements of sanctification and truth that are present in them.9 Neverth7 Comments 668 days
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Our Lady appears in Apia, Samoa
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Roger Rabbit
AUCKLAND, AAP - A week after Samoans prayed en masse for a safe switch to driving on the left, a vision of the Virgin Mary has appeared.0 Replies 13 weeks
The Pacific nation stopped this week as hundreds of Catholic believers gathered to worship an image they say is Mother Mary.
At one time, more than 500 people worshipped the vision, which appeared on the wall of a Congregational Christian Church building in the capital Apia on Tuesday.
Believers said the wavering form, shaped like a Coca-Cola bottle, was clearly that of Mary with a rosary in her hands. Others said it looked more like Christ.
Roman Catholic Archbishop, Father Spatz Silva, told the Samoa Observer he was still "investigating" if it was an official vision recognised by the church but said there was no doubt it was a general message to steer clear of sin.
"This is something people should look deeply into," he said.
"Look at yourself and ask if you are still walking the path Jesus wants us to take."
The newspaper's editor Keni Lesa said he was convinced it was a "good depiction of the virgin".
"It's pretty amazing really," Mr Lesa said.
"And it's quite a lot of excitement for us to have something like this just a week or so after the big switch."
The country marked a major national event on September 7 when drivers moved from the right to the left side of the road.
The shift brought Samoa into line with Australia and New Zealand and was aimed at encouraging the 170,000 Samoans living in these countries to export cars home.
An eight-year-old girl became the first casualty of the switch on Saturday when she was hit by a bus after looking the wrong way when crossing the road.
An arm was amputated as a result.
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Touching
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SmelanieAnn .
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> I think you will figure out what option I chose.
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> Dallas as the doctor walked into the small hospital room of Diana
> Blessing. She was still groggy from surgery.
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> Her husband, David, held her hand as they braced themselves for the
> latest news.
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> That afternoon of March 10, 1991, complications had forced Diana, only
> 24-weeks pregnant, to undergo an emergency Cesarean to deliver
> couple's new daughter, Dana Lu Blessing.
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> At 12 inches long and weighing only one pound nine ounces, they
> already knew she was perilously premature.
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> "I don't think she's going to make it," he said, as kindly as he
> could.
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> "There's only a 10-percent chance she will live through the night, and
> even then, if by some slim chance she does make it, her future could
> be a very cruel one"
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> Numb with disbelief, David and Diana listened as the doctor described
> the devastating problems Dana would likely face if she survived.
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> She would never walk, she would never talk, she would probably be
> blind, and she would certainly be prone to other catastrophic
> conditions from cerebral palsy to complete mental retardation, and on
> and on.
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> "No! No!" was all Diana could say.
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> She and David, with their 5-year-old son Dustin, had long dreamed of
> the day they would have a daughter to become a family of four.
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> Now, within a matter of hours, that dream was slipping away
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> But as those first days passed, a new agony set in
> for David and Diana.
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> Because Dana's underdeveloped nervous system was
> essentially 'raw', the lightest kiss or caress only
> intensified her discomfort, so they couldn't even
> cradle their tiny baby girl against their chests to
> offer the strength of their love.
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> All they could do, as Dana struggled alone beneath
> the ultraviolet light in the tangle of tubes and
> wires, was to pray that God would stay close to
> their precious little girl.
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> There was never a moment when Dana suddenly grew
> stronger.
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> But as the weeks went by, she did slowly gain an
> ounce of weight here and an ounce of strength there.
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> At last, when Dana turned two months old, her
> parents were able to hold her in their arms for the
> very first tim e .
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> And two months later, though doctors continued to
> gently but grimly warn that her chances of
> surviving, much less living any kind of normal life,
> were next to zero, Dana went home from the hospital,
> just as her mother had predicted.
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> Five years later, when Dana was a petite but feisty
> young girl with glittering gray eyes and an
> unquenchable zest for life.
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> She showed no signs whatsoever of any mental or
> physical impairment. Simply, she was everything a
> little girl can be and more. But that happy ending
> is far from the end of her story.
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> One blistering afternoon in the summer of 1996 near
> her home in Irving, Texas, Dana was sitting in her
> mother's lap in the bleachers of a local ball park
> where her brother Dustin's baseball t ea m was
> practicing.
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> As always, Dana was chattering nonstop with her
> mother and several other adults sitting nearby when
> she suddenly fell silent. Hugging her arms across
> her chest, little Dana asked, "Do you smell that?"
>
> Smelling the air and detecting the approach of a
> thunderstorm, Diana replied, "Yes, it smells like
> rain."
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> Dana closed her eyes and again asked, "Do you smell
> that?"
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> Once again, her mother replied, "Yes, I think we're
> about to get wet. It smells like rain."
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> Still caught in the moment, Dana shook her head,
> patted her thin shoulders with her small hand s a nd
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Catholic VS Atheist ( a nice relaxed DEBATE)
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Oisín Brown
So here i am again on my never ending seach for ansewers to quetsions and ideas that have come to mind, i myself am an atheist and all i want to do is have a nice calm debate with someone on the other side of the fence20 Replies 63 weeks
without them explodeing in my face 
as so many other reglious types have done in the past, i've had everything from being blocked, ignored, deleted, and shun, so i hope to find a person or group who will discuss things with me without insults, name-calling, and to try to listen to both ends of the argument, i can assure you i'll spend hours thinking over what was said and try to come up with and in the end of it all, either i'll be a devout catholic or you'll become a devout athesit ahh no worst comes to the worst we'll agree to disagree.
I'd like maybe for you to post the first topic of discussion, as a sign of how calm and intrested i am
( please frogive my spelling mistakes if you can thank you )
OH! and before i know you'll ask, Yes i have indeed read quite alot of the bible more than your avarage joe on the street anyways, but i'm sure you'll have a more vast knowledge of it anyway,
I'll be intouch soon
Peace.
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Conoro
Im catholic but lately i havent wanted to be part of the church cause of the way the vatican and irish bishops have treated perverts that were also priests
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Lyla Paiena10 weeks agoIm glad im a real catholic n im proud of it,i was in samoa the time the image appear on the john williams building,to b honest true catholics can feel it n believe it,i neva forget in my lifetime wat i saw its amazing,imagine wot happen to our poor country now,so neva give up faith as a catholic,believe wot we been learn, n trust our own believe.
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Faithful Warrior
Hayden i feel the same way - we give up hope in the world
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Hayden Sexyface15 weeks agoim a catholic, but not a devout one.
Im not sure i believe in god.
Im mean, if this his plan, all thats going on in the world, i dont want to be in it.
i wonder sometimes, has he given up on us?
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Sa-Levi16 weeks agoSo why are you following Jesus Christ using a Bible that Jesus never commanded to be written?.
Better still, why are you quoting from the Bible when you have no right to do so?.
The Bible is the book of the Catholic Church FULLSTOP.
It is NOT for you to quote to us Catholics... You might get away with it, if you try the Mormons or JW, They're Manmade congregations.
Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even Christ also loved the Church, and gave himself for it...
(You CANNOT say you're a follower of Christ if you're NOT a member of his Church). Its more like you're following a manual that you dont understand.
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Jesus Christ Followers16 weeks agoJesus Christ, our God and Saviour. He is a wonderful God, and a wonderful friend to have.
He created heaven and earth, and created life. (Colossians 1:13-17) Our God even came in the flesh, and died in our place in order to win us back from Satan, so that we may have eternal life. (John 1:1-5,14. John 3:16-17)
Our God Jesus Christ. He who spoke to Moses from the burning bush. The I AM. (Exodus 3:14, John 8:58 )
He is coming soon, and when His people are in His Kingdom of the New Heaven and New earth, all flesh shall worship Him from one Sabbath to another. (Isaiah 66:22-23)
I pray that I (and others) can help people to come to know Jesus Christ, and that they may turn from their sins, so that they too may enter into His Kingdom. (Revelation 22:14)
God Bless
1 Timotthy 3:16
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Luis Medina19 weeks agoHello The Catholic Church I'm your fan.
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Sa-Levi19 weeks ago
I dont know... why? do you?.
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James Martin20 weeks agoLOL you believe in no sex before marrige BORING PEOPLE
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Sa-Levi20 weeks ago
And the bible tells us to confess our sins to man, but not ask him for forgiveness. So why is it that you say "Forgive me father for i have sinned"
Every Protestant asked the same questions... The so called Bible believing Christians.
I wonder if you're reading it in Cantonese because the English versions state the same thing...
(John 20:21-23).
"Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you... Receive ye the Holy Ghost. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained." ...
The authority to forgive sins and NOT to... The Priest must hear it, but God alone will be the Judge.
Just because Jesus died on the cross for our sins, doesnt mean, you can take a life and be forgiven by lunch time.. cause you read your Bible everyday and you're really really really sorry.
The Sacrament of PENANCE....
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Sa-Levi20 weeks ago
Catholic priests share in the priesthood of Jesus Christ (not a human priesthood), and their sacred ministry partakes of the Fatherhood of God. Like St. Paul (himself a Catholic priest), every Catholic priest can refer to the souls he has spiritually begotten as his children in Christ. (1 Cor. 4:14). St. Paul considered himself to be the spiritual father, in Christ, of the Corinthians: "For if you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet not many fathers. For in Christ Jesus, by the gospel, I have begotten you." (I Cor. 4:15). The title of "Father" is entirely proper for an ordained priest of Jesus Christ.
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Sa-Levi20 weeks ago
Catholics call their priests "Father" because in all matters pertaining to Christ's holy faith they perform the duties of a father, representing God. The priest is the agent of the Christian's supernatural birth and sustenance in the world. "Father" is a title which does not conflict in the slightest with Matthew 23:9. Christ forbids the Christian to acknowledge any fatherhood which conflicts with the Fatherhood of God – just as He commands the Christian to "hate" his father, mother, wife, and his own life, insofar as these conflict with the following of Christ. (Luke 14:26). But Christ does not forbid Christians to call His own representatives by the name of "Father."
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Sa-Levi20 weeks ago
If thats how you see your own mother.. as a "vessel", then thats fine with me.
But Mary isnt just a mother. She is the mother of Jesus Christ. The mother of God the Son.
When Jesus became man, he too must obey the law of Moses. "Honor your father and your mother".(The Ten Commandments)
in the original Hebrew, that word "honor," kaboda, that Hebrew word means to glorify, to bestow whatever glory and honor you have upon your father and mother.
Christ fulfilled that law more perfectly than any human by bestowing His glory upon His heavenly Father and by taking His own divine glory and honoring His Mother with it...
We DONT worship Mary.. We HONOR her like Christ did...
If you dont honor your own mother, well then, theres your first mis-understanding of Marys special place in the Universal Church. Im already feeling sorry for your mother...
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Sa-Levi20 weeks ago
For a Start, there wouldnt be Christianity Today if it wasnt for the Catholics... Secondly any other Christian denomination who question the Catholics about what the Bible says and said.. Has No Right to do so.
The Bibe is the book of the Church not the Church of the Book...
Yes, some of our members have fallen into dissarray but if you're judging the Church by the conduct of its members then we must also look at others... Like Mthr Theresa Of Culgutar, St Francis of Assissis, St Augustine of Hippo... the list goes on...
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Coolsemo23 weeks ago
Hi Christian And patrisha How are ye and everybody?. Join my lay minstery called proclaiming the good news here is my link http://www.bebo.com/proclaminggoodnews wb
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Coolsemo25 weeks ago
Hi Christian how are you and everyboday?. Love this group. So my name is seamus i am 28 yr's old from dublin. I am in the legion of mary and nearly 6 yr's now in july and have not look back. Have you heard of the legion of mary?. god bless.wb
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P-B-O-Y28 weeks agoi would like to read where it says that about teachers, and i don't call them "teacher" i call them by their last name.
could you jot down where i can locate that in the bible.
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god rules earth !!!
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