Yeah thats SO sad! Club foot is correctable anyway! My mothers ex had it!

my friend told me the other day... a girl she knew fell pregnant and had 3 scans showing her baby had clubfoot. She was asked many times if she wanted to get rid of the baby. She didnt and went on to delivery a COMPLETELY HEALTHY baby girl.. no clubfoot!
My mother was told my sister would have severe down syndrome! she is totally healthy n fine!
I know of many stories like these, I hate it how so many woman are pressured into having abortions because of scans showing 'this' & 'that' when sometimes they can get it TOTALLY wrong. poor bubbas. AND mothers!!

anyway.. how are you all? havent been on here in MONTHS!

I didint say always laura Lol i said usually no i wouldnt call someone having an abortion because their life is in danger selfish those sort of cases are pretty few and far between though, and no i dont agree with it and no i wouldnt have an abortion even if they told me my life was in danger, just couldnt do it, but its not my place to judge or say they are selfish, yes understandably they would be terrified etc, its hard, i am so dead against abortions BUT i can also see it from their point of view!

Also yes the pills are being purchased by women in countries where abortion is illegal but there are much higher numbers of women from countries where it is still illegal. All I meant was if abortion is made illegal as some pro-lifers believe it should be, then there would be a huge increase in the number of women endangering themselves by doing things such as purchasing illegal pills

I wouldn’t personally say a termination due to a life threatening condition is the same as having one for personal reasons, e.g. financial, mental etc. but some pro-life ppl feel that it is still wrong for a woman to terminate her pregnancy even when her life is endanger, some would still call her selfish, which as I said is disgusting. All I was trying to say is there are occasions where an abortion is needed, and it is unfair of pro-lifers to go around saying that an abortion is never justified and it is always selfish of the woman to abort, when there are occasions where it is life saving for the woman

laura i no wat u sed Lol i did read ur comment properly u didnt need 2 explain more. What i meant was i personally wudnt call ending a babys life because of an ectopic pregnancy an abortion i wudnt use the term abortion in that case even do the same thing is happenin, hope u no wat i mean. As for the abortion pills been bought illegally, i never sed i dnt believe u i have already read about dis. Wat im sayin is woman who live in countries that abortion is legal are also buyin these pills online sum dnt wanna wait to go to the abortion clinic etc dats all im sayin

The foetus is not always dead missinsane, but it is true that it rarely survives with an ectopic pregnancy, but its nice to see you can atleast see where sometimes an abortion is warrented missinsane. there are some pro-lifers who do not think an abortion is necessary even when the mothers life is endanger, which is ridiculous if you ask me especially considering the baby is most likely not going to survive anyway.

In the case of ectopic pregnancy, the baby has USUALLY died, therefore even though it is classed as an abortion it is not actually killing the baby, and yes it is needed. I read a story about a lady a couple of years ago, where she had many complications with her pregnancy, and they didnt know why, turned out the egg had implanted outside the womb, kinda on top of it, if it had been picked up early enough more than likely she would have been advised to "terminate" as chances of her and bubbs surviving were "slim" long story short, both baby AND mother surivived, healthy bubbs, with little complications, yes she needed a c-section for the birth, and yes it was a difficult pregnancy for her. And your're welcome Rachenl.

I wasn’t comparing an ectopic pregnancy with an abortion leeane. I meant the woman’s only choice is to have an abortion in this case. I was using it as an example of when an abortion is necessary and why it needs to remain legal. In future please could you read my comments more carefully as I don’t like to repeat myself.
Also there are higher numbers of women purchasing illegal abortion pills in countries where it is not legal. check if you don ‘t believe me
love for the group x x x

I also read about woman purchasing the abortion pill online, its not just where abortion is illegal woman in the uk are also buyin there pills online as they dnt want to wait to see their consultant . I wouldnt class an etopic pregnancy the same as havin an abortion, yes the babys life is ended but with ectopic pregnancys the baby isnt goin to survive no matter what u do also if the mother doesnt get the baby removed she will die.

I agree with you Laura, abortion needs to be legal to definitely stop women from hurting themselves! At the end of the day if a women doesnt want a baby, she will try anything to get rid of it! Which is SO SO sad!
I think adoption needs to be more widely embraced as well!

At the end of the day there is def good reasons medically alot of the time.
But there are exceptions as well. I dont class aborting a downs baby as a medical abortion, thats just being selfish. They have one of the most beautiful natures! Seeing only the greatness in the world. We could learn ALOT from them!

And yeah she did seem happy Katrina! I just felt for her parents, it really seemed to rip their hearts out!

I also read something very interesting the other day. In countries such as Ireland where abortion is still illegal research has found that many women are opting to purchase illegal abortion pills over the internet. Some of these pills are fake and cost hundreds of pounds which means that innocent women are being ripped off, however this is the least of their worries. Without a proper consultation or any medical advise many women are encountering many medical difficulties through taking these pills. Some women have bad reactions to the pills, causing severe bleeding. Also without appropriate care some women are taking the pills incorrectly, not completing the abortion, so parts of the foetus are still left inside causing bad infection. Even if the pills do work, there is also no after care or counselling available and so some of these women are also becoming depressed. This is just another example of why abortion needs to be legal.

hmm and what if the mother's life was endanger? for example an ectopic pregnancy, which can be quite comon. when the a fertilized egg has implanted outside the uterus, in the ovary, abdomen, or the cervix. None of these areas has as much space or nurturing tissue as a uterus for a pregnancy to develop. As the fetus grows, it will eventually burst the organ that contains it. This can cause severe bleeding and endanger the mother's life. usually the baby does ot survive. so what would be wrong with a woman having an abortion then? the foetus will not survive anyway and if it is left it is very dangerous for the mother.

I can see where you're coming from tbh. I used to have a friend that said
"When I have a baby, if I find out it's got Downs Syndrome, I would abort it. If it like couldn't walk or anything, I'd just give it up"
Personally, if I was pregnant (which I'm not) and I found out my baby was disabled, I would keep it. Because at the end of the day, it's not his/hers fault. I agree that we have no righ to contradict wether a child would have a "poor quality" of life, so I take back what I said about that. I'm sure many people think the same as you, and thank you for answering my question

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And yea i saw that too cherie, sooooo sad, she seemed happy enough though? I mean who are we say they have "poor quality of life", to them they dont know any different we are the only ones who say that they are different, to them thats their world.

Because Drunken Fool. No matter what "medical" reason is given, the fact remains it is a child, a baby, an innocent little being, and to me life begins at conception, everything that makes us who we are is in those very first few cells. And if its ok to abort and unborn child for medical reasons, then why is not ok for someone to "help" someone else die for medical reasons? (no im not for that either just an example) for instance, someone who has become a quadraplegic, cannot move, has "poor quality" of life (as you put it for unborn children who have disabilitys) and if one of their loved ones helps them end their life, they are done for murder, yet its ok for someone to abort a child who may or may not (as doctors DO get diagnosis wrong ALOT) have a medical disability.

yeah I don't think I phrased it right. Laura just basically explained what I was going to. Thanks

I don't understand why people would have a problem with a medical abortion If a mother felt she would not be able to cope with a disabled child, or that the child would be so serverly disabled that it would be in and out of hospital, constant operations, and popping pills for the rest of its life, well, what kind of life would that be? Although I do agree that sometimes abortions are done for really stupid reasons, I think medical abortions are the ones that I know most people agree with. In no way am I trying to say anyone who disagrees with me is wrong - I'm just curious Mizz Insane, what makes you believe medical abortions are wrong? I know you're pro-life which I respect 100%, but I'm curious as to why you're against medical abortions?

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Euthanasia is a crime once the child is born, but its not if its an abortion.....
hmmmmmmmm......

I think what “Ben’s hoe” was trying to say is that we do not even let animals suffer when they are in pain, we put them out of their misery. Why can’t it be the same with humans? If a child was going to be severely disabled it would have a very poor quality of life and also would also need an enormous amount of care then it would put a lot of strain and pressure on its parents, not every woman is superwoman, is it really fair to expect ppl to just deal with all the extra strain and stress with a disabled child if they feel they are unable? i know you will probably suggest adoption but the sad truth is that not many couples would adopt a disabled child, it is wrong and unfair i know but is unfortunatly true.
as you said some abortions are done for wrong and stupid reasons but in some cases it is warranted.

I feel sad for children who are healthy until something goes wrong during birth. Did you see 20/20?(I think it was on that), about that poor wee girl who was starved of oxygen at birth and what she became?
My mum also works in a centre that cares for people like that. Mum said they do have a small amount of happiness. Or seem to! They get simple pleasures out of different things.
They dont really feel like they miss out, coz they dont really know any better.
I would say that would be the same with some of those "medical abortions".