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"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color."


"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." -Thomas Jefferson


"Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night." -Isaac Asimov


This page isn't just for Atheist, or secular Humanists.....it is for everyone. It's for people who don't understand evolution, cosmology, secularism or our beliefs in general.

It's for debate, but rational debate.....people making points MUST have evidence to back them up. No foolish people and/or foolish comments will be allowed -free speech doesn't include hate speech. No racists, sexists, ageists or bigots. Just the facts people.

It's for plain ol' discussion too, as long as it isn't boring as hell.

Oh, and I don't mind swearing as long as you have a point! Enjoy!

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  • Creationist Confusion

    Ask your everyday, average Creationist what he thinks evolution is and the answer will be something along the lines of this:

    "Evolution is the theory (not a fact, just a theory) that all the Universe and life came from nothing, evolved for no reason and that there is no God" -simply stunning.

    Now, I'm not in any way trying to demean Creationists here, and I'm definitely not trying to belittle their intelligence, but that is not anything remotely similar to what anyone of intelligence calls evolution.

    1) You don't what theory actually means. (see the blog below)
    2) You're lumping cosmology, Darwinian evolution, abiogenesis, stellar evolution (an unfortunate name, but I will explain it) and the Big Bang into one group.

    Evolution has only to do with biological life, ONCE IT GOT STARTED. Nothing more.

    3) Darwinian evolution could be reconciled with belief in a God, or to put it another way, you can be a Christian and be an evolutionist too.

    So please, read all the blogs on the proper definitions of the terms before making rash comments on a subject you don't fully comprehend.

    Oh, and that goes for atheists too!

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  • Theory and Fact

    Here's another thing I would like to set straight right now, the definition of theory.

    In everyday life, a theory is just a guess. In fact, the only time I've ever seen it used outside of a scientific context is when someone is taking the piss! On the other hand, in science, a theory is an explanation of the observations. So it's natural that confusion is rife when it comes to this. I will use evolution and gravitation as examples, evolution being the most controversial and misunderstood of the pair.

    Evolution is often said to be both theory and fact. This statement, or something similar, is frequently seen in biological literature. The point of this statement is to differentiate the concept of the "fact of evolution", namely the observed changes in populations of organisms over time, with the "theory of evolution", namely the current scientific explanation of how those changes came about.

    A "fact" in science is an observation. A "theory" in science is an explanation of the observations, or FACTS.

    Scientists use many specialized terms, frequently attributing to common words meanings foreign to the layperson. In particular,

    A fact is an observation or a piece of data. Facts can include objective measurements which can be either pieces of verifiable evidence, or the results of an experiment which can be repeated over and over again by different people. For example, there are many observations of gravity and measurements of gravity. Every time an apple is dropped and it falls, an observation of gravity has been made. Gravity is measured every time something is weighed. So gravity can be described by scientists as a fact. This is because there is a collection of gravity observations that need to be explained. Objective observations are facts in scientific language.


    Theories in science are different from facts. Scientific theories describe the coherent framework into which observable data fit. There have been many theories that attempt to explain the fact of gravity. That is, scientists ask what is gravity, and what causes it. They develop a model to explain gravity, a theory of gravity. Predictions can be made and tested based on this theory. Many explanations of gravity that qualify as a Theory of Gravity have been proposed over the centuries: Aristotle's, Galileo's, Newton's, and now Einstein's. So gravity is also a theory. In science, current theory is the theory that has no equally acceptable alternate theory, and has not been falsified, that is there have been no observations made which contradict it to this point and, indeed, every observation ever made either supports current theory or at least does not falsify it (see Karl Popper). In no case did gravity disappear when a new theory was created; instead, the explanation for gravity was refined and improved.

    Now.....we're just getting started, that was just the example. I mean, everybody accepts gravity, and you won't hear Creationists trying to refute Einsteinian physics, simply because of a misunderstanding concerning some terminology. It is a THEORY and a FACT, just like evolution, as we shall see.


    The terms "fact" and "theory" can be applied to evolution, just as they are to gravity. This terminology has been used to dispute the validity of evolution, which results from a misunderstanding of how those terms are applied to evolution.

    In the study of biological species, the "facts" include fossils and measurements of these fossils. The location of a fossil is an example of a "fact" (using the scientific meaning of the word "fact"). In species that rapidly reproduce, for example fruit flies, the process of evolutionary change has been observed in the laboratory. The observation of fruit fly populations changing character is also an example of a "fact", using the scientific meaning of the word "fact". So evolution is a "fact", at least using the scientific meaning of the word "fact". These "facts" need an explanation, just like the observatio

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  • What is Darwinian evolution?

    In biology, evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population from generation to generation. These traits are the expression of genes that are copied and passed on to offspring during reproduction. Mutations in these genes can produce new or altered traits, resulting in heritable differences (genetic variation) between organisms. New traits can also come from transfer of genes between populations, as in migration, or between species, in horizontal gene transfer. Evolution occurs when these heritable differences become more common or rare in a population, either non-randomly through natural selection or randomly through genetic drift.

    Natural selection is a process that causes heritable traits that are helpful for survival and reproduction to become more common, and harmful traits to become more rare. This occurs because organisms with advantageous traits pass on more copies of these heritable traits to the next generation. Over many generations, adaptations occur through a combination of successive, small, random changes in traits, and natural selection of those variants best-suited for their environment. In contrast, genetic drift produces random changes in the frequency of traits in a population. Genetic drift arises from the role chance plays in whether a given individual will survive and reproduce.

    One definition of a species is a group of organisms that can reproduce with one another and produce fertile offspring. However, when a species is separated into populations that are prevented from interbreeding, mutations, genetic drift, and the selection of novel traits cause the accumulation of differences over generations and the emergence of new species. The similarities between organisms suggest that all known species are descended from a common ancestor (or ancestral gene pool) through this process of gradual divergence.

    The theory of evolution by natural selection was proposed roughly simultaneously by both Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace, and set out in detail in Darwin's 1859 book On the Origin of Species. In the 1930s, Darwinian natural selection was combined with Mendelian inheritance to form the modern evolutionary synthesis, in which the connection between the units of evolution (genes) and the mechanism of evolution (natural selection) was made. This powerful explanatory and predictive theory has become the central organizing principle of modern biology, providing a unifying explanation for the diversity of life on Earth.


    I hope this definition of evolution helps some people, because recently I have seen quite a few people who are confused as to what evolution actually is. Regarding the subjects of cosmology, the Big Bang and stellar evolution ( a rather unfortunate and confusing name, seeing as it is not related to Darwinian evolution -it is probably derived from the common vernacular usage of the word "evolution") I will be posting more blogs soon.

    If you have any questions, or just want to debate I hope this has helped!

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  • Evolution

    Mattsterpiece di Mattsterpiece
    "Evolution is just a theory!" is often to be the expected straw man in any debate regarding Evolution, and is erroneous to a great extent. With this particular argument, desperate Creationists attempt to establish that Evolution may not be a fact, though, we can't establish that "facts" are absolute, unless of course we're dealing with mathematics, in which we deal with absolute reasoning derived from an entire branch of knowledge that is merely convenient for us. In mathematics, facts are absolute. However, if we aren't dealing with mathematics, any and all "facts" can be questioned outside of what I would call a perimeter of reasonable doubt, with unreasonable doubt. So, how are we to define a fact? Simply as anything that is proven within the confounds of reasonable doubt. Once you begin questioning something outside that perimeter, you can question anything. Another equally fallacious implication that Creationists put forward with this straw man is that a theory is not at all legitimate, or adequate. Funnily enough, gravity is a theory. Other theories include cell theory, germ theory, solar nebula, nuclear fusion, the Big Bang, Continental Drift, Quantum Theory, and the existence of atoms is a theory. In fact, the Earth being round, or at least roundish, is a theory. To say that a theory is not legitimate is, to say the least, very gratuitous.

    Some of you may be wondering exactly what a theory is, and if know anything of the scientific process, then you should know exactly what a theory is. I won't assume that everyone reading this knows, as I have encountered many people who can't quite grasp what a theory is. A theory, in science, is the most reliable thing you can get. A theory is a well-tested explanation that unifies a broad range of facts. It isn't at all mutually exclusive with what we know to be factuality. With that being said, in case there are any theists reading, which I hope there are, evolution isn't mutually exclusive with belief in God. I know many people who are hold a strong faith in God, while simultaneously accepting Evolution, as well as the Big Bang.

    All arguments against evolution are founded entirely on vast oversimplifications and misconceptions. You have arguments such as saying that it violates the 2nd law of Thermodynamics by saying that disorder isn't increasing, which is, in itself, ridiculous. Biological phenomenon has nothing to do with a universally applied law. The second law of Thermodynamics doesn't even deal with disorder anyway. It deals with entropy, so it doesn't say that order can't derive from disorder, and you'd be a fool to say that it can't. There are no laws about anything tending to break down. So what kind of fool would present such a pathetic argument? Well, Creationists of course go to Creationist sites, which I can assure you will be very biased and present nothing but bare-faced lies, with no facts whatsoever. The Creationists that run them don't look into what they attempt to debunk, rather, they misinterpret certain scientific concepts, such as the 2nd law of Thermodynamics, make unsupported claims which they didn't even look into to so much as attempt to validate, and they persist with subjective ramblings and typical Creationist misconceptions.

    Another argument that Creationists tend to put forward that is founded entirely on a major misconception is "How are there still apes around if we humans came from them?".

    I have dealt with this a surprisingly large number of times, and it is just as easy to deal with every time. It's as simple as pointing out that Evolution isn't the theory that we came from the modern-day apes, rather that we are descendant from the same species. You might then ask "Then why is there such a great difference between us and them?". The answer to this is simple, and supported by a solidified fossil record. We share the same ancestor as they, on a species basis, and not a group species. The ancestor that we share with primates is call
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  • The Noah and The Ark Fairytale (written by Mattsterpiece)

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    First of all, the idea of a loving God carrying out genocide upon his creation as a reciprocation for the evil in the world, while killing a plethora of innocent adolescents blows me away. I reel in awe at the fact that this wouldn't be enough to convince most Theists that the story is absurd. With that being said, the story is clearly being told from the perspective that God is just realizing that his glorious creation has been tainted by the evil that he is just now deciding to eradicate. However, this same evil continues to exist to this very day. This logical comprised argument is still most likely not enough to convince a lot of Theists, so let us examine some facts.

    For starters, Noah and the Ark was clearly plagiarized from Epic of Gilgamesh in the Sumerian legend. You don't have to take my word for it, but I highly suggest that you look into it if my word isn't enough for you, which it most likely isn't. Also, take into consideration that records of civilizations in Egypt, China, Mesopotamia, and Babylon exist through the flood era. You would think that a worldwide flood would have eradicated the inhabitants of these civilizations. If that isn't enough for you, then consider the fact that a worldwide flood was never mentioned in their accounts. Call me crazy, but it I would think that a worldwide flood would be something important enough to jot down.

    The Ark goes beyond what is currently accepted as the limitation of a seaworthy craft by 50% and there was no metal used in the construction of the Ark, yet it is still classified as a worldwide flood surviver. There is no possible way that an Ark built by a senior citizen, baring hundreds of millions of species of animals could have survived the apocalyptic downpour described in Genesis.
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  • Evolution

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    It is impossible to prove that the theory of evolution is absolutely true. The theory maintains that plant evolution, animal evolution and the major geological changes to the earth unfolded over billions of years. Thus, the full theory cannot be demonstrated in the laboratory. Processes like the rise of mountains and erosion are simply too slow to be observed during one person's lifetime. Elements of the theory (e.g. species evolution of fruit flies in the laboratory and of Tilapia fish in East African lakes) have been observed. But nobody was on hand to observe what the world and its life forms looked like hundreds of millions of years ago.

    However, sufficient evidence exists in support of evolution to convince 99.85% of America's earth and life scientists that the theory is valid. Evolution is the key unifying theory that unifies many different branches of science, from cosmology to biology.
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  • Tomás Féén.
    Tomás Féén.

    haha yea haha

    4 settimane fa via Cellulare
  • Harry- Ereti TeMaro
    luv Harry- Ereti TeMaro

    oops sorry...ATHEISTS

    4 settimane fa
  • Tomás Féén.
    Tomás Féén.

    dont believe is in bad grammer.It's spelt ''ATHEISTS''.

    7 settimane fa via Cellulare
  • Harry- Ereti TeMaro
    Harry- Ereti TeMaro

    i dont believe in atheists

    8 settimane fa
  • Maurra
    Maurra


    How can you people say God says, does or is such as you say without studying his Holy Word?
    God created this entire mess we are in, when he created everything, it was perfect. Mankind made the mess of it and then you blame God for whatever you decide.
    Athiests, that is a strange silly word anyway.


    9 settimane fa
  • Tomás Féén.
    Tomás Féén.

    The Bible also requires you to stone children to death if they disobey their parents.

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  • Matt
    Matt

    Say God created us as the bible states, is he not evil? If we inherit original sin because every human would do the exact same thing as 'Adam and Eve' then how were we to prevent this catastrophe we have fallen into, eg war sickness etc. It clearly was something we couldn't prevent happening, and God in his infinite knowledge would have known this surely. So i refuse to worship an evil God.

    So where does this leave me? I believe God exists... or probably does, or some sort of intelligent creator but fucking despise him to my very core!

    12 settimane fa
  • Matt
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    Hey i'm just wondering if anyone can help me define my beliefs lol
    I believe that scientifically there is intelligent beginning because that is simply where science brought me. I think that the Bible fits into this very well indeed, however i do have some problems with the bible. IF the bible is to be called true then everything about it must be air tight i feel, and for the most part i think it is... except right at the beginning. Its a contradiction between what God says his character is, and what it actually is.

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  • Maddox
    Maddox

    Id rather believe in Scientists, Astromers, Archaeologist Etc, The smartest people in the world's history, such as Abert Einstein, Stephen Hawking and Galilea Galigo who have hard prove and REAL Evidence that the Universe is more than 6000 years old and Christanity is a load of Bollox!!!

    13 settimane fa
  • Sid The Kid
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    Atheism in Ireland?? Thank God! :L
    We need to unite and come out of the closet, our country is perhaps one of the least rational when it comes to this debate (in modernized society at least) lets make ourselves heard so that one day we will not be the devil in our countries eyes

    21 settimane fa
  • Lucyy'
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    How stupid does it sound that a big man in the sky created our Earth, our beings and everything? And it doesn't help that the bible and all religious theories are filled with sexism. Proud atheist for life.

    22 settimane fa
  • Turtle Soup
    Turtle Soup

    An irish atheist group
    Awesome

    28 settimane fa
  • Creation vs Evolution.
    Creation vs Evolution.

    Get on board.

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