GODS DO NOT EXIST
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- This is a page for anybody who doesn't belive in ANY god. We don't just mean the Christian God; we mean ANY god; Zeus, Wotang, Thor, Brahman, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or any supernatural, divine, and yet imaginary being who resides in the mind of the deluded We are not trying to impose our views on you (well, not much anyway), unlike the religious types of this world; we are merely taking a stance and trying to fight the evil that is religion in any form.
We aim to offer some arguments against the existence of gods and/or 'God' in simple, easy-to-digest forms, as well as some simple home-cooking.
Let's get one thing straight first. We can't prove or disprove the existence of any god, yet. So, to that extent, everyone is an agnostic. Some just more or less than others. We just happen to feel God/gods is/are illogical. Others see God/gods as perfectly logical. How wrong they are.
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Third Argument Against the Existence of a God - The Paradox of Benevolence
I can already sense the answers to this blog.
But here goes..
Why would a God allow natural disasters to occur?
Why do innocent people die?
A kind, powerful and clever God would not allow these things to happen, surely?90 Kommentare 968 Tage
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Second Argument Against the Existence of a God - The Paradox of Omniscience
Christian theists claim that God is omniscient, i.e. all-knowing. The doctrine of divine omniscience, though, faces several philosophical objections; there are a number of arguments in the philosophy of religion that purport to demonstrate that God cannot possibly know everything. These include arguments that the doctrine of divine omniscience is logically incoherent, that it is inconsistent with the further Christian doctrine of divine impeccability (i.e. the doctrine that God cannot sin), and that it is refuted by the fact of human freedom.
If any of these arguments is successful, then the doctrine of divine omniscience as it is usually taught will require at least modification, and possibly abandonment. Further, if being omniscient were thought to be a part of what is involved in being God, then these arguments against the doctrine of divine omniscience might even constitute proofs of atheism, of the non-existence of God. Four problems with divine omniscience are worthy of mention.
The first problem—the paradox of omniscience—is derived from Cantor’s proof that there is no set of all sets. Omniscience, it is said, entails knowledge of the set of all truths. Cantor’s proof, however, demonstrates that there is no such set. As there is no such set, it is argued, there can be no omniscient being.
The second problem is the problem of experiential knowledge. Here the argument is that there are certain facts knowledge of which can only be acquired through certain experiences—knowledge of what it is like to sin, for instance, can only be acquired by sinning—and that some of these experiences, and so some of these items of knowledge, are such that they cannot be had by God.
The third problem is that of reconciling freedom and foreknowledge, specifically the existence of divine foreknowledge with the existence of human freedom. If God knows all of our future actions, then the future is fixed, but if the future is fixed, it seems that there is nothing that we can do to change it. The ability to determine our future actions, though, is what constitutes human freedom. Divine foreknowledge, then, seems to preclude the possibility of our being free agents.
The fourth problem is the problem of middle knowledge. Middle knowledge is knowledge of what free agents would have done had the world been other than it is. As the agents are free, their choice of action cannot be determined by the state of the world, and so cannot be calculated on that basis. As middle knowledge concerns counterfactual situations, however, neither can their choice of actions be known by observation of the future. With the two possible sources of knowledge ruled out, it seems that middle knowledge is an impossibility.18 Kommentare 968 Tage
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First Argument Against the Existence of a God - The Paradox of Omnipotence
If all God's are all-powerful, free-will is a god-given gift.
This means people and indeed animals can do whatever they want, they are free to do so.
This means, therefore, that gods cannot control what anyone or anything does since they are free to do anything.
Therefore, they are not all-powerful, and are therefore not gods.
Therefore, gods don't exist.39 Kommentare 968 Tage
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there is a GOD
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Raemond Ruhnke
i see everyone here whos does not beleive in GOD try and dispute his being by science. this is a good argument up to a certain point. the point i am talking about is where science runs out where it cant go any farther or any depper. then it becomes faith.0 Antworten 4 Wochen
take the big bang for example they can trace it back only to a certain point. why is this? it is because we can only work in time and all that happened befor that is a mystery and still is a mystery so the big bang will never be proven because something accured out side of time. however you can look at the bible and it gives a clear picture of how the universe began. so i ask you this how can you count on your science when what you are debating happened outside of time?
also how can your science tell me how i came to salvation and the change that happend with in me? how can your science disprove my testamony? the amswer is simply that it cant because you know nothing of the events that took place in my heart and soul. so i ask you this how does your science plan on debating the experiance of the human soul?
GOD BLESS
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Signs That You Are A Fundy Atheist (from tektonics)
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Mattsterpiece
For more, visit: http://www.tektoonics.com/etc/parody...1 Antwort 4 Wochen
You may be a fundy Atheist if...
#1. You became an atheist when you were 10 years old, based on ideas of God that you learned in Sunday School. Your ideas about God haven't changed since.
#2. You think that the primary aim of an omnibenevolent God is for people to have FUN.
#3. You believe that extra drippy ice-cream is a logical proof against the existence of God, because an omniscient God would know how to stop the ice-cream from being extra drippy, an omnipotent God would have the ability to stop the ice-cream from being extra drippy, and by golly, an omnibenevolent God wouldn't want your ice-cream to be extra drippy.
#4. Although you've memorized a half a dozen proofs that He doesn't exist, you still think you're God's gift to the ignorant masses.
#5. You believe the astronomical size of the universe somehow disproves God, as if God needed a tiny universe in order to exist.
#6. You think questions like, "Can God create a rock so big that He cannot lift it?" and, "Can God will Himself out of existence?" are perfect examples of how to disprove God's omnipotence and ultimately how to disprove God. When someone proves to you the false logic behind the questions (i.e. pitting God's omnipotence against itself), you desperately try to defend the questions, but then give up and go to a different Christian site to ask them.
#7. Related to the above, you spend a great deal of your spare time writing to Christian websites asking them these very questions.
#8. You declare on a public forum that you are "furious at God for not existing."
#9. You spend hours arguing that a-theism actually means "without a belief in God " and not just " belief that there is no god" as if this is a meaningful distinction in real life.
#10 You consistently deny the existence of God because you personally have never seen him but you reject out of hand personal testimony from theists who claim to have experienced God as a reality in their lives.
#11. You can make the existence of pink unicorns the center-piece of a philosophical critique.
#12. You insist that "the burden of proof is on he that alleges/accuses", and "it's impossible to prove a negative", then state "That's what Christians do. They lie. Their most common lie is that they were once atheists." When reminded about the burden of proof bit, you reply with, "Well, prove Christians don't lie!"
#13. You adamantly believe that the "God of the gaps" idea is an essential tenet of orthodox Christian faith espoused by all the great Christian thinkers throughout history.
#14. When you were a child, someone came down with a deadly disease and prayed and prayed for God to take it away. God did not remove the disease and your friend died. You ask other Christians why they had to die when they were such a nice person and never harmed anyone. Dissatisfied with their answers, you suddenly decide that there is no God and that all Christians are nothing but lying, conniving con artists and hypocrites....all that is except for your friend who died.
#15. You call a view held by less than ten percent of the American public "common sense".
#16. You're a spoiled fifteen year old boy who lives in the suburbs and you go into a chat room to declare that, "I know there is no God because no loving God would allow anyone to suffer as much as I...hold on. My cell phone's ringing."
#17. You attack your fellow atheists, who hold the "belief that there is no god", calling them "liars," and state that, "I do not deny the existence of any god. I just don't believe in any." Then you tell someone that their God is "made up." When someone calls you on this, you state, "I never made such a claim."
#18. Going with the definition of "without a belief in God", you insist that all people are born atheists, and that dogs, cats, rocks, and trees are as well. You make statements like, "My dog is an atheist. Ask him abou -
CHRISTIANITY:...
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Night Lyrker
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian, -1. You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.17 Antworten 30 Wochen
2 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
3 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
4 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
5 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
6 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
7 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving".
8 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
9 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers.
10 -And You consider that to be evidence that prayer works!
YOU MUST BE KIDDING........
AND THEN THERE'S THE BIBLE:-
It is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies.Mark Twain - Letters from the Earth,When one reads Bibles, one is less surprised at what the Deity knows than at what He doesn't know. Mark Twain's Notebook...a God who could make good children as easily a bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave is angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice, and invented hell--mouths mercy, and invented hell--mouths Golden Rules and foregiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other people, and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites his poor abused slave to worship him!- Mark Twain: No. 44, The Mysterious Stranger,Christianity came into existence in order to lighten the heart; but now it has first to burden the heart so as afterwards to be able to lighten it. Consequently it shall perish, all too Human,dont you think.....
baseing religon on a bannana, what a fucking EGG!
We ourselfs all have divine tendancys to create and destroy to create somthing out of pure nothing and to destroy with no reson so we all have god like tendancys. and as the fact that when you try and apply free will saying you have free will just proves to yourself how narrow minded you are. if you want free will you have to have nothing no limitations.
being a contimplator and a connoisseur of hallucinations to deny somthings possibility is to deny yourself because as such you are only a possiblity.
There is nothing wrong with questioning only when you say you know.
feel free to mail me if you would like to talk more.
"Imagination is more important than knowlage"
Albert Einstein
now to say faith proves nothing is just bigited for whatever reson you havent been able to find or prove faith for your own but for a person to beleve souly upon somthing that they cant explain shows that we as human have a will to beleive somthing and if the will is stong enuth it creates
because will is what we know, and everything that we know is within our universe, and everything within our universe is moulded by conditions of time, space and causality. ... To acquire freedom (free will) or to understand god...or as i say the master creator we have to get beyond the limitations of this universe; it/he/she cannot be found here
Hey if your athiest your pretty much fucked aye haha your words not mine
Quantum law of attration
Since nothing is fixed and everything is in a state of potential, everything is possible. As we understand that everything is possible, and as we focus our thoughts on what we want to attract, we can literally call into existence whatever we desire.
The Universe exists as infinite potential in infinite abundance. As we focus our thoughts, we have the power to bring our desires into existence
All that is holding us back is ourselves.
So if you belive theres no nothing or whatever your right because your creating it for yourself so good luck with that
faith proves nothing....HAHAHA
All faith is is a tool to harbor hope for people who are to weak afraid to create it for themselves
Auschwitz-Birkenau in the poland held and estimated 400,000 prisoners with over 1,100,000 deaths out of the 400,000 that survived the camp all had a belief of god or a higher power
As long as you're reasonable, and you do the research with an open mind.
Most people nowadays will find any objection on the internet, and without really considering its merit, they provide, because it is 'something'.
Anyway, Nitzsche would know about the inside of an asylum.
We need somebody who actually knows about science and religion to have a proper arguement here, where's that Richard Dawkins guy?
I just read that Nitzsche is dead quote by God, that's fucking funny!
Yes, speeding up. Instead of acting so smug, you could consider the ambiguity of my statement. Human evolution in particular seems to have been mysteriously catalyzed in the past to our benefit. Remember those odds I recounted before?
'In fact, the odds of us having evolved to this stage before our sun would have gone into a red dwarf phase are estimated between 4^-180(110,000) and 4^-360(110,000).'
Several biologists have come to this same conclusion. However, I already admitted that there isn't really an airtight argument here (if there ever were one).
You seem to have actually taken offense to a mere observation. Try not to get so worked up.
Evolution speeding up? What the fuck are you on?
"Evolved to this stage" Define this stage abit better before your rhetorical crap gets any more obvious
Now here's a question for everyone.
When was the last time you held a conversation with your pet regarding Evolutionary history or Quantum Physics?
Your Top Hate, I was confused as to what you were responding to. You quoted a response that I was debunking. I failed to see you address any of my arguments, other than imposing a nature-empiricist epistemology. It's self-refuting when you actually acknowledge what science is.
When we start talking about matters beyond time and space, we must turn to philosophy. It will never fail us.
And John Wiseman, I myself am a Theistic Evolutionist. I have studied the history enough to know that evolution actually seems to have gone out of its way to speed up for our sake. In fact, the odds of us having evolved to this stage before our sun would have gone into a red dwarf phase are estimated between 4^-180(110,000) and 4^-360(110,000).
"Nietzsche is dead"
~~~God
In all seriousness though, it seems to me incredibly fallacious to impose scientific/inductive reasoning on every instance of investigation. Science has its place, so stop carrying it into the bounds of metaphysics. That's where the existential foundations of science operate, and science is completely useless there.
Mata Ariki (Eyes of God)
Background of your anti-supernatural display picture...I see a masterpeice by the greatest artist known to man, made only for us to discover and admire it's beauty and see His light.
Thats all I'll say...I have my reasons for my beliefs and my love of God, and you have your reasons. I dont come on Bebo much as its too much effort to keep up Facebook and Bebo
My balls don't exist and i till believe in them?
what come first the chicken or the egg?
Also his famous aphorism "God is dead!" is highly appropriate for this group. In reply to: ""A short stroll through the lunatic asylum shows faith proves nothing." [Nietzsche]" by GODS DO NOT EXIST